In plain words
Ask most musicians what the diminished scale is and they answer ‘half step, whole step’. Barry called that answer ridiculous and said he had told teachers so all over the world. It gives the intervals but not where the scale comes from. Without the real answer, he warned, you miss most of the music, since most of it grows out of the diminished.
Believe: a talk to musicians5:105:4519:41Interview: Detroit, Bud Powell and the shuffle2:56Barry Harris, Smithsonian Jazz Oral History Program ¶298
His definition: lower each note of a diminished seventh chord in turn and you get four dominant sevenths. Their roots form a second diminished chord. Put the two diminished chords together and you have the diminished scale, four diminished notes and four dominant roots. From C diminished the dominants are B7, D7, F7 and A♭7, so the scale is C, D, E♭, F, F♯, A♭, A, B.
Diminished chords0:000:33Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale2:333:13Student performances and coaching34:2434:59Barry Harris, Smithsonian Jazz Oral History Program ¶300
Seen this way, the usual interval patterns are just two starting points. Begin on a dominant root and you get half step, whole step; begin on a diminished note and you get whole step, half step. And because the two kinds of note alternate, every diminished note is surrounded by two dominant roots. In Bilbao Barry used this to build runs: step from a diminished note to a root beside it, and come back.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale3:133:50Diminished chords1:091:412:183:37
The four dominants use only the notes of these two diminished chords; the third diminished chord shares none of them. In one class Barry went straight from the diminished scale to that question, what to do with the third diminished, and answered it by putting the third diminished with a major sixth chord: a major sixth diminished scale.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:035:387:03
Step by step
Take a diminished seventh chord and lower one note at a time by a half step. Each lowered note is the root of a dominant seventh. From C diminished (C, E♭, F♯, A): lower C for B7, E♭ for D7, F♯ for F7, A for A♭7.
Diminished chords0:000:33Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale2:33Student performances and coaching32:4133:51
The four roots form a second diminished chord (B, D, F, A♭). Put it together with the first: that is the diminished scale.
C diminished with its dominant roots (+)- C
- D
- E♭
- F
- F♯
- A♭
- A
- B
Diminished chords0:33Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale3:13Student performances and coaching34:24
Start on a dominant root and the scale runs half step, whole step; start on a note of the diminished chord and it runs whole step, half step.
From B, a dominant root- B
- C
- D
- E♭
- F
- F♯
- A♭
- A
- B
From C, a diminished note- C
- D
- E♭
- F
- F♯
- A♭
- A
- B
- C
Each diminished note sits between two dominant roots: C between B and D, E♭ between D and F, F♯ between F and A♭, A between A♭ and B.
an added note, outside the scale
How he said to practise it
Take a note of the diminished chord, step to one of the dominant roots beside it and return to the note. Do it from each note in turn, then try moving two notes at once.
Find the four dominants of a diminished chord by lowering one note at a time, and learn to run any of them into another. Barry tied knowing these four to knowing what the diminished scale is.
In Barry’s words
Each one plays from the moment he says it. Every other moment he teaches it is listed below.
What is a diminished scale? It ain’t half step or whole step. A diminished scale is the four tonics of the four dominants form a diminished. And you put the two diminishes together. And that’s a diminished scale.
The diminished itself, the tonic of those four dominants that come from it, you put these two together, and that’s the diminished scale.
If you want whole step half step, you have to start on... the diminished note.
Each note is surrounded by two notes, so now use the two.
Where this comes from
Everything above is drawn from these. Open any one to check it.
Every moment he teaches it12 moments in 6 recordings
Each time opens the transcript there; the video plays when you are online.
Student performances and coaching
- 34:24
After the four dominants of B♭ diminished: the scale is two diminished chords, not half step, whole step.
Diminished chords
- 0:33
C diminished’s dominant roots B, D, F, A♭ form a diminished; combined with C diminished, they make the scale.
- 1:09
Shows each note of C diminished surrounded by two dominant roots: C by B and D, and so on.
- 3:37
Builds runs by borrowing a dominant root next to a diminished note and returning.
- 5:58
Plays the roots of the dominants alternating with the diminished notes.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale
- 2:33
With a guitarist: the four dominants of C diminished, then ‘let me tell you what a diminished scale is’.
- 3:13
Puts the two diminished chords together; from a dominant root it is half-whole, from a diminished note whole-half.
- 4:26
The four dominants come from two diminished chords; asks what the third diminished is for.
Believe: a talk to musicians
Interview: Detroit, Bud Powell and the shuffle
- 2:56
In an interview, calls the half step, whole step description of the diminished scale nonsense.
Day one: an introduction to the method
- 26:11
Full recording of the Bilbao class: the dominant roots form a diminished, giving the scale.
From the lessons2 lessons, 8 points
Notes taken from Barry’s classes, each tied to the moment it comes from.
Four dominants from every diminished chord
- Exercise
Play a diminished seventh chord and lower any one note by a half step, leaving the other three alone. The result is a dominant seventh whose root is the note you lowered. From C diminished: lower C to get B7, E-flat to get D7, F-sharp to get F7, and A to get A-flat 7. From B-flat diminished you get A7, C7, E-flat 7 and F-sharp 7 (the captions say F7 here, but lowering the G of B-flat diminished gives F-sharp 7, and F7 already belongs to the C diminished family). Barry credited the idea to Schoenberg.
Jazz theory, part 3: four dominants from one diminished8:36Student performances and coaching33:2934:02A word to guitar players1:08
- Idea
Barry called these four dominants brothers and sisters, one family, and asked who you play with first: your brother and your sister. So the four dominants of a diminished chord are the first ones to use together. He said the average horn or guitar player thinks only in half steps and whole steps without knowing that four dominants come from every diminished chord, and that you really should know what the diminished is. He also called the guitar the best instrument, one we should learn from.
Jazz theory, part 3: four dominants from one diminished9:10A word to guitar players0:34Believe: a talk to musicians19:41Jazz theory, part 3, with score9:16
- Idea
Barry rejected the usual definition of the diminished scale as an alternating half-step/whole-step pattern: if that’s all you know, he said, you miss most of the music, because so much of it comes from the diminished. For him the scale is the diminished chord plus the four roots of its dominants, and those four roots form a second diminished chord, so the scale is two diminished chords put together. Start on the root of one of the dominants and you get the half-step/whole-step pattern; start on a note of the diminished chord and you get whole-step/half-step.
Believe: a talk to musicians5:10Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale3:133:50Student performances and coaching34:42
- Exercise
Barry had a student hold a C7 with just two notes and place major triads from its family above it: an A triad, a C triad, an E-flat triad. The chord has to sound pretty. With the E-flat triad on top, add the E natural next to the E-flat; without it the sound reads as a minor 7th rather than a dominant.
Jazz theory, part 3: four dominants from one diminished9:109:4410:15
Minor thirds and the diminished family
- Idea
The twelve notes divide into two whole-tone scales and into three diminished seventh chords, and nothing goes beyond those twelve. Barry reminds the class of this as a basic fact to know before working with diminished chords.
Jazz theory, part 2: drop voicings4:58
- Idea
Everything is minor thirds, Barry says; it is the most important interval of all. The whole-tone scale gives you major thirds, but the diminished chord gives you minor thirds. So the major keys a minor third apart, C, E-flat, F-sharp and A, are brothers and sisters: one family. C major’s family is E-flat, F-sharp and A, and you practise them together.
Jazz theory, part 1, with score4:23
- Exercise
In a class in Bilbao, given through a Spanish interpreter, Barry described the diminished scale as the four notes of the diminished chord combined with the roots of the dominants it relates to. Each diminished note therefore sits between two of those roots: E-flat, for example, is surrounded by D and F. Exercise: from a diminished note, move to a neighbouring note and come back to the original, and do this through every inversion of the diminished chord.
- Idea
The first way to modulate, Barry says, is with the diminished chord. He calls the diminished the ruler: you may think you are heading for G, but the diminished can say no and take you to F, B-flat or C instead. One diminished chord can lead you into several different keys.
11 March 2016, part 2: the diminished as ruler2:39
In writing7 notes
What his interviews, his students’ class notes and other teachers’ articles add.
In his oral history Barry credits Schoenberg with lowering a diminished chord one note at a time to get four dominants, says he had been doing it before he read it, and names his own step: noticing that the dominants’ roots form a diminished, which joined to the first one gives the scale.
In the 2003 Hague class, as written out by Howard Rees and printed in Marijt’s thesis, Barry reached the diminished scale through his creation story: the chromatic scale, the two whole-tone scales, the three diminished chords, then four dominants by lowering a note, whose roots form a second diminished.
Howard Rees’s glossary gives the scale as eight notes from a diminished chord and its four related dominant roots, and calls the two chords together a ‘double diminished’: for example B diminished with B♭ diminished, the roots of B diminished’s dominants.
Jazz School Online (Howard Rees), Glossary of Terms ¶17Jazz School Online (Howard Rees), Glossary of Terms ¶26
Rees suggests a visualisation exercise: see a diminished chord’s notes and the roots of its related dominants as one picture. Together they are the diminished scale, and the root notes also supply the sixth-chord voicings for those dominants.
Howard Rees, Chord Explorations ¶22Howard Rees, Chord Explorations ¶26
In a voicing exercise on the C major 6 diminished scale, Rees borrows two dominant roots of its diminished chord, E and B♭, and resolves them up into the full diminished seventh on the next half beat.
Howard Rees, Evolutionary Voicings, Part I: Barry Harris Keeps Things Movin’ ¶55
Alan Kingstone points out that each related dominant root lies a half step below a note of the diminished chord, and passes on Barry’s objection to the half-step, whole-step name: the point is where the scale comes from.
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García-Valdecasas compares Barry’s derivation with Messiaen’s modes of limited transposition and notes why Barry rejects the interval description: it leaves out the harmony he hears inside the scale.
Guillermo García-Valdecasas Vaticón (Real Conservatorio Superior de Música de Madrid), The Barry Harris harmonic theory in Chopin’s work ¶32Guillermo García-Valdecasas Vaticón (Real Conservatorio Superior de Música de Madrid), The Barry Harris harmonic theory in Chopin’s work ¶43
How other teachers explain it2 videos, 20 series episodes
Barry’s students, and their students, teaching it their way. A second opinion, not Barry.
- Jazz Mandolin Instruction Barry Harris Diminished Scale Pete Martin
Mandolin lesson #26 on the diminished scale.
12 min On YouTube
- Jazz Harmony According to Barry Harris. PART 3 [SUBTITLES]
Part 3: the dominant family on a diminished scale and triads on its four roots over C7.
38 min, transcript On YouTube
In the teaching series
Episodes on this idea in the long series by other teachers. Each name opens that whole series in order.
The Labyrinth of Limitations
- The octatonic is a scale of chords too YouTube
- Foundations 1.2: the diminished scale YouTube
- The beautiful diminished scale YouTube
- Episode 9: the octatonic (diminished) scale YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 17: a move from Barry Harris’s class YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 19: asking creative questions YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 41: borrowing on shell chords in the octatonic scale YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 74: a beautiful movement Barry plays on Stella YouTube
Read further6 links
These open on the web.
Free to read
- Howard Rees, Jazz Workshops
— Howard Rees’s free article: the visualisation of a diminished chord with its dominant roots as the diminished scale.
- researchcatalogue.net
— Vera Marijt’s thesis transcribes Barry’s 2003 Hague explanation of the scale as two diminished chords.
- Howard Rees, Jazz Workshops
— Free: Barry’s chromatic, whole-tone, diminished, four-dominant sequence that the scale grows out of.
- Barry Harris (on video); Howard Rees (producer, The Barry Harris Workshop Video
— Workbook sections ‘The Diminished Chord and its 4 Related Dominant 7ths’ and ‘The Diminished Scale’ (paywalled; contents free).
Books and paid courses
- Frederic Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris (HTML + PDF, updated Jan 2026): scale exercises, chromatic scale, Parker ideas, families, 4 chord scales, moving in fourths, 5-4-3-2, half-step tables, important arpeggios, scale outlines of blues/rhythm/Cherokee/Donna Lee/How High the Moon/Night in Tunisia
attendee-of-videos notes (from Chris Parks’ TILF + Labyrinth + Kingstone) — Free notes with a figure stacking a diminished arpeggio and the roots of its four dominants into the diminished scale.
- The Barry Harris Workshop Video Part Two, Howard Rees: ~4h15, 156-page workbook; chapters Improvisation (49 sections), Rhythm Section (17), Harmony (41)
Barry himself (produced and transcribed by Howard Rees) — Part Two covers ‘The Diminished Scale and Usage’ and surrounding notes (paywalled; contents free).