Barry HarrisThe method
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The 7th diminished and 7th flat 5 diminished scalesThe four scales of chords

Besides the major and minor 6 diminished scales, Barry later taught two more scales of chords built the same way: the seventh diminished and the seven flat five diminished. Together they are the four scales of chords he said you should really know.

In plain words

Barry’s first video taught two scales, the major sixth diminished and the minor sixth diminished; later he added the seventh diminished scale and the seven flat five diminished scale. He said he had found the two sixth scales before he came to New York, and the other two much later, in New York.

Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00The 23 May Zoom class, part 121:31

All four are built the same way. The chords Barry drew from the diminished (dominant 7, minor 6, major 6, 7♭5) each use notes of only two of the three diminished chords. His ‘secret’ question: what do you do with the third diminished, none of whose notes are in the chord? Put it with the chord, and you have the scale. In C6, E and G come from one diminished and C and A from another; with B7 the one to add is C♯ diminished.

Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:035:38The 23 May Zoom class, part 122:07

So on any root the four scales share one diminished chord, the one built on the scale’s second degree, and differ only in the chord it alternates with: on C, the B diminished goes with C6, C minor 6, C7 or C7♭5. Each gives eight notes, chord tone and diminished note in turn.

Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale5:38Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶63Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64

Barry told guitarists at a talk in Spain that there are four scales you really should know, because nobody else is going to tell you. Learn the scale of chords and your instrument becomes connected: you move across it horizontally instead of chord to chord. He singled out the dominant 7 with the flat five; he had never heard the well-known guitarists use it.

Believe: a talk to musicians51:3052:0552:3853:1256:03

Step by step

  1. Take the chord and find the diminished chord that none of its notes belong to. For C7, C comes from C diminished and E, G, B♭ from C♯ diminished, so the one to add is B diminished.

    C7
    𝄞♭
    1. C
    2. E
    3. G
    4. B♭
    The third diminished (B, D, F, A♭)
    𝄞♭
    1. B
    2. D
    3. F
    4. A♭

    Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:03The 23 May Zoom class, part 122:07

  2. Put them together for the seventh diminished scale: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ♭6, ♭7, 7.

    C seventh diminished scale
    𝄞♭♭
    1. C
    2. D
    3. E
    4. F
    5. G
    6. A♭
    7. B♭
    8. B

    Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64

  3. Do the same with the 7♭5 chord (C E G♭ B♭ with the same B diminished) for the seven flat five diminished scale: 1, 2, 3, 4, ♭5, ♭6, ♭7, 7.

    C seven flat five diminished scale
    𝄞♭♭♭
    1. C
    2. D
    3. E
    4. F
    5. G♭
    6. A♭
    7. B♭
    8. B

    Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), Official Barry Harris Thread (jazzguitar.be forum thread) ¶1545

  4. Play each as a scale of chords, like the sixth diminished scales: on each note of the scale, an inversion of the seventh chord and then of the diminished, in turn.

    C7
    𝄞♭
    1. C
    2. E
    3. G
    4. B♭
    diminished
    𝄞♭
    1. D
    2. F
    3. A♭
    4. B
    C7, first inversion
    𝄞♭
    1. E
    2. G
    3. B♭
    4. C
    diminished, next inversion
    𝄞♭
    1. F
    2. A♭
    3. B
    4. D

    Believe: a talk to musicians53:12Barry Harris (on video); Howard Rees (producer, The Barry Harris Workshop Video Part 2: product page and 156-page workbook table of contents ¶20jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶66

How he said to practise it

In Barry’s words

Each one plays from the moment he says it. Every other moment he teaches it is listed below.

I added two scales, the seventh diminished scale and the seven flat five diminished scale.

Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales. Opening a workshop, after naming the major and minor sixth diminished scales 0:00 Watch on YouTube

But now here’s the secret. If those four chords came from two diminishes, what do you do with [the] other?

Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale, New York City. Lincoln Center class, after deriving the four chord types from the diminished 4:26 Watch on YouTube at 4:26

There are four scale[s]... you should know, and you really should know them.

Believe: a talk to musicians, Almería, 2014. Talk in Spain, telling guitarists about the scales of chords 52:38 Watch on YouTube at 52:38

When you learn... a scale of chord[s], your instrument becomes connected all up.

Believe: a talk to musicians, Almería, 2014. Same talk: scales of chords instead of chord to chord 53:12 Watch on YouTube at 53:12

Where this comes from

Everything above is drawn from these. Open any one to check it.

Every moment he teaches it9 moments in 5 recordings

Each time opens the transcript there; the video plays when you are online.

Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales

2 min On YouTube

  1. 0:00

    Names the four: major and minor sixth diminished first, then the seventh and seven flat five diminished added.

    Watch on YouTube

Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale

New York City — 14 min On YouTube

  1. 4:26

    The secret: the four chords use two diminished chords, so what do you do with the third?

    Watch on YouTube at 4:26

  2. 5:03

    None of the third diminished’s notes are in those chords; shows it with B7 and C♯ diminished.

    Watch on YouTube at 5:03

Believe: a talk to musicians

Almería, 2014 — 60 min On YouTube

  1. 51:30

    Good guitarists don’t know the scale of chords; never heard them use the dominant 7 with a flat five.

    Watch on YouTube at 51:30

  2. 52:38

    There are four scales you should really know; learn them and the instrument is connected.

    Watch on YouTube at 52:38

The 23 May Zoom class, part 1

Online, from New Jersey), 2020 — 31 min On YouTube

  1. 21:31

    Had the two sixth scales before New York; found the C7 diminished scale and its partner much later, there.

    Watch on YouTube at 21:31

  2. 22:07

    In C6, E and G belong to one diminished, C and A to another; the remaining diminished makes the scale.

    Watch on YouTube at 22:07

The C7♭5 scale in drop 2, and a tritone trick

5 min On YouTube

  1. 0:00

    Uses the scale in drop 2 on I Should Care (clip title says C7♭5), then a trick with two tritones.

    Watch on YouTube

  2. 1:59

    You have to know the scale; practise just the top and bottom voices.

    Watch on YouTube at 1:59

From the lessons2 lessons, 9 points

Notes taken from Barry’s classes, each tied to the moment it comes from.

From chords to a scale of chords

  1. Exercise

    Take a chord and practise moving its notes in every possible way: move the top and the bottom, or only the left hand. Barry says that when he hits a chord he wants to know how to move everything, and he relates this to knowing the diminished around it. Sometimes simply leaving one note where it is sounds pretty.

    Chording as a scale0:451:203:48Chords become scales3:48

  2. Idea

    Barry demonstrated simply going up one of these scales on E-flat in chords and letting his ear tell him where to go. For him a chord becomes a scale: chording, he says, has to be learned as scales, and that is the only way to real creativity. On F6, for example, he notes that he has the C and also the D-flat to work with.

    Chording as a scale5:259:00Chords become scales5:188:59

  3. Exercise

    Everybody should know these scales, Barry says, in tenths as well, and you can practise them in all kinds of ways, even as stride.

    Chording as a scale8:16Chords become scales8:16

  4. Idea

    A pianist may play decent chords yet not know that each chord belongs to a scale of chords. Once you know which scale a chord belongs to, Barry says, you know where you can move it, and that is when it becomes fun.

    Jazz theory, part 4: borrowing diminished notes6:537:27

  5. Idea

    Barry said that even good guitar players do not know the scale of chords unless they have been in his class, and that he never heard any of them use the dominant seventh with a flat five, a chord he clearly loves. There are four scales of chords you should know; once you learn them your instrument becomes connected, and you move horizontally through a scale of chords instead of going chord to chord vertically. He said a guitar player is supposed to know everything, and that the instrument is, in his view, perfect.

    Believe: a talk to musicians27:4451:3052:3856:03

Building the scale: a sixth chord plus the missing diminished

  1. Idea

    Start from C6 (C, E, G, A). Barry points out that its notes come from two of the three diminished seventh chords: E and G belong to one, C and A to another. The third diminished chord (D, F, A-flat, B) has no notes in C6, so you add it, and C6 plus that diminished chord is the scale: C D E F G A-flat A B. In other words, a major scale with an extra note between the fifth and the sixth.

    Introducing the sixth diminished scale1:081:43

  2. Idea

    The same method works from other chords. Barry notes that the dominant seventh, minor sixth, major sixth and seventh-flat-five chords all come from two of the diminished chords, then asks his secret question: what do you do with the third diminished, none of whose notes are in those chords? Combine it with them. With B7 the third diminished is C-sharp diminished; take the next inversion and you have B major sixth with that diminished, which together make the B major sixth diminished scale.

    Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:035:387:03

  3. Idea

    Every major sixth chord is also a minor seventh chord: C major 6 has the same notes as A minor 7. Barry remembered reading this in his first theory book without seeing why it mattered; later he understood its importance. When you see a minor seventh chord you should know its major sixth, because the major sixth is what makes the sixth diminished scale.

    Jazz theory, part 6: every major sixth is a minor seventh0:32Jazz theory, part 4: borrowing diminished notes6:186:53

  4. Idea

    What the scale gives you, according to Barry: it contains not only the dominant of the major key but also the dominant of the relative minor. It also gives you a scale of chords, which you should know. As he builds it he names the chords in turn: six, diminished, six, diminished.

    Introducing the sixth diminished scale2:16Practising the sixth diminished scales0:03

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